tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post7025834792689336080..comments2024-03-28T13:03:59.666-07:00Comments on Tillalala Chronicles: A Brilliant ObsessionJohn Olsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-37590728632060982482010-05-28T22:08:26.117-07:002010-05-28T22:08:26.117-07:00>> He doens't enact his will, but rather...>> He doens't enact his will, but rather he mediates between the various wills that are out there. He doens't create, he orchestrates. This seems to have been his approach for quite some time. <<<br /><br />I would agree with that. It's an accurate portrayal. But these are the qualities of a mid-level manager or floor supervisor. What is desperately needed is leadership. He just ain't got the cajones for that. And that's my less cynical view: that he is a well-meaning man of very high intelligence encumbered with a perplexingly naive idea that harmonizing fractious personalities is the best way to get things done. My less charitable view is that he is corrupted by power, like anyone else, and doesn't want to push back too hard on the people holding the moneybags. There is a tendency, after Bush and his in-your-face barbarity, to feel that intelligence and eloquence automatically translate into sound, rational policy and the health of the body politic. It does not. Which is not to say, god forbid, an idiot like Sarah Palin would be any kind of antidote. <br /><br />Chris Hedges has an insightful chapter in his book Empire of Illusion, "The Illusion of Wisdom," on how highly educated men like Obama who attend our most prestigious schools emerge with such myopic views and disdain for honest intellectual inquiry, and harbor a blind deference for authority, and why they go on perpetuating the class divisions that are decimating our country. Elite universities such as Yale and Harvard thwart universal understanding and the search for the common good. Obama's public "naughty naughty" speeches aimed at Wall Street, and now BP, are hollow. He may be, deep down, either a coward, naive, or venal. But he is certainly a product of that system. As are the BP executives. They are birds of feather, but you won't find them covered in oil. They do too good a job covering their ass.John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-58632449927513226962010-05-28T06:03:41.015-07:002010-05-28T06:03:41.015-07:00Well, now I've just lost my comment to the voi...Well, now I've just lost my comment to the void as well. <br /><br />To reappraise, let me just say, John, that your characterization of surrealism is very appealing and quite acceptable. Breton turned surrealism into a club with rules. You seem to ignore this approach. Your take seems personal, and therefore not something to be argued for or against. You're approach has a calming effect, which I'm trying to fight...this is no time for calm!<br /><br />Heraclitus. I have to say I didn't see that coming. I don't know much about Heraclitus. Perhaps I can catch him on youtube. Ovid seems equally appropriate. How our actions invest us with transformative energy that can suddenly erupt within us, sending us into marvelous and horrible permutations of growth. Well, perhaps it's time to let Breton go...onto to Heideggar.<br /><br />As for Obama, I think the key to understanding him lies in examining the effects of unintended consequences...it's easy for us, who have no power to enact our will, to say, well, this is what one ought to do in this circumstance. However, the circumstances Obama finds himself in are complex. It's IMPOSSIBLE to accurately ascertain the effects of action in these circumstances. Normally we attempt to enact our will, trusting that even if there are unintended consequences, the effects of those consequences will be bearable. Obama is in the unenviable position of knowing, for a fact, that the effects of any unintended conseuqeunces, which, inevitably, there will be, of his actions could be fatal, on a wide scale. He knows, even under these circumstances, that he must act. And yet to act could have devastating consequences. What to do? Well, he does as he has done for quite some time. He doens't enact his will, but rather he mediates between the various wills that are out there. He doens't create, he orchestrates. This seems to have been his approach for quite some time. Why anyone thought he would suddenly start acting differently when president is due more to who they are than who he is. He is much like the Hillary and Bill, in this regard. I can't say I blame him. Of course as myself I would act this or that way. But if my actions could actually have extreme consequences, and if I could never, reasonably, be sure what the effects of my actions would be, I think I might take cautious steps as well. The only problem may be...it's too late for this approach. If that's the case, well, then we're done here. When I'm at the grocery store, I often find myself at the deli, looking at all the preserved turkeys and hams, and thinking, well, when the lights go out, this is the place I should come, and I should grab a bunch of these. But then I think...why, so I can outlive my neighbors by a couple of months? We're in this together. I have no wish to be the lone survivor, sitting alone in my apartment, munching on turkey and watching trees growing out of the entrance to the subway.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07063461201963497703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-62903809130005751602010-05-27T13:17:23.759-07:002010-05-27T13:17:23.759-07:00Thank you, Adam, for your comment here. I do wish ...Thank you, Adam, for your comment here. I do wish I could have seen your "whole long response," but I know how maddening it can be to sign in and navigate and such in cyberworld. I picture teams of software engineers sitting around big tables snickering about all the ridiculous hoops they make us jump through. <br /><br />And Greg, wow, your comment about the Scandinavian economists in China is scary. I am so attached to running water, electricity, and food on the shelves at the grocery store that if our society does eventually fall apart and turn into some kind of Somalia, or worse, something more similar to McCarthy's The Road, well, it will be rough indeed. I have a .22, inherited from my grandparents, but it's corroded. And frankly, we're great friends with the local squirrel community. I can't see myself eating a squirrel. <br /><br />About surrealism. It is easiest for me to come at it from personal experience. I've never read Rosemont's appraisal. It is, essentially, a search for the marvelous. Expanded consciousness. Unbridled imagination. Take Poe's story "The Fall Of The House Of Usher," for instance. Here the marvelous has assumed the garb of the macabre. But the ultra-heightened sensitivity of Roderick Usher, "an eye large, liquid, and luminous beyond comparison," strong suggests the kind of divine madness Plato talks about in relation to poetry. Surrealism does initially suggest a neo-Platonic agenda. And its impulses are directed toward elsewhere, realms of enchantment. But once you immerse yourself in, say, Breton's Poisson soluble, his "bracelets of glass" and "necklaces of insects" and singing springs, one begins to see how they are imbued with a certain earthy luxury and undeniable eroticism that puts his creations at odds with the geometric austerities of Plato's ideal realm where everything is driven by reason and order. And where reality, in its truest, purest form, is unchanging. According to Plato's vision, there is a strict division between the mathematical purity of the heavens and the chaos of earth. Surrealism breaks this down and revels in paradox. It celebrates flux. It celebrates the eternality of change itself. Surrealism has much more commonality with Heraclitus. A world of perpetual change, driven by fire: "The transformations of Fire are, first of all, sea; and half of the sea is earth, half whirlwind." He also championed the mingling of opposites. Everything, he said, "is an attunement of opposite tensions, like that of the bow and lyre." Considering, then, that flux and chaos and volatility are key elements driving the surrealist aesthetic, it's easy to see how it would lend itself to quixotic feeling. Dogma of any sort is especially repellent to the surrealist agenda. I hope this helps.John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-61939351292333474842010-05-27T09:40:00.281-07:002010-05-27T09:40:00.281-07:00Well, I wrote a whole long response to this--then ...Well, I wrote a whole long response to this--then Wordpress made me sign in and when I tried to navigate back to my comment, it was deleted. In brief, John, thanks for mentioning Andy's acknowledgment of my work in The Sun at Night. And for anyone who might wishfully or otherwise conclude that surrealism is dead, Andy's magnificent reading at Moe's Books last night, alongside the always hard-bopping Ivan Arguelles and the digressive yet hermetic polyglot Sotere Torregian, would have disabused them. <br /><br />adamfornford@yahoo.comAdam Cornfordhttp://adamfcornford.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-19260809659353201332010-05-27T05:06:53.519-07:002010-05-27T05:06:53.519-07:00China has a team of Scandinavian economists trying...China has a team of Scandinavian economists trying to figure out how it can call in our debt without being destroyed itself. If it ever gets that figured out, we're finished.<br /><br />John, perhaps this isn't the proper forum, but I'd like to know your thoughts on what makes a surrealist a surrealist. I liked what you said about self-subversion and the marvelous. And I also liked what you said about surrealism being anti-authoritarian. But in reading Franklin Rosemonts book "What Is Surrealism", he seemed to have a bit of " church tone" in matters of who is and who isn't leading a proper surrealist existence, and with Breton's tendency to defrock folk from time to time, well...<br /> <br />Obviously, no individual gets to determine what surrealism is, so I guess I'm interested in what you're thinking. Does the surrealist work need to be produced via some mechanism like automatic writing, or using some technique to allow for synchronicity? I guess the reason I introduced the notion of Plato is that Breton's privleging of the unconscious and dislike for the quotidian "consciousness" seemed reminiscent of Plato. They both advocate breaking through reality to something higher and more pure. But perhaps I've read to much into what I've read. Breton's method of discussing these matters is a bit cryptic. Plus I can't read French, so there's the problem inherent in translation. At any rate, Breton seems to always attach surrealism to a notion of ongoing process. Surrealism, if practiced properly, was meant to lead to the achievement of a goal...perhaps the transformation of humanity, or something equally doable. Is that you're thinking as well, that surrealism is a transformational process, a goal-oriented way of life as opposed to a simple category in literature? I'm a bit torn. I don't believe in "truth" as such, or the forms as static and unchanging. Although I do run with a group of Jungians, I'm not sure I totally believe in self actualization's abitily to dramatically affect social consciousness, and I suppose that's how I would view the surrealist project as Breton frames it...that it's an attempt to effect social consciousness through individual transformation. So, on the one hand I'm sceptical. On the other hand, Cesar Vallejo is my favorite poet. I became intranced with an anthology of French surrealists I came across in the 80's. <br /><br />Any thoughts you might have on this would be helpful. My apologies if this isn't the proper place to address these matters. I was pointed towards your work by a friend who linked me to an interview you did with Noah Eli Gordon. I guess I could think of myself as an embassy in pine for an/some ambassador(s) of fjords, as you wrote. Well, may not an ambassador of fjords, but in pine for some type of atypical ambassador, certainly. <br /><br />Although these issues seem important to me, I can't think of anything really riding on their resolution. So...Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07063461201963497703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-68503000093740568832010-05-26T19:47:28.935-07:002010-05-26T19:47:28.935-07:00Mediational Posit: John/Steve: -- You are both ri...Mediational Posit: John/Steve: -- You are both right/wrong: i.e. Yes, (Steve, right) there is nothing Obama or anyone else can do about it; this may be the perpetual leak, a fitting symbol of mankind's abuse of its habitat, a slow, prolonged erosion of our life sources, ... the end of life as we know it. <br />But, (John, right), Obama is not forthcoming; he has Not acknowledged our Impotence, the tragic inability of our nation to Ever Recover;the "revovery" he proclaims is on the horizon; he is a falehood prostelytizing "change" when the only thing that will be effective is a thoroughgoing Revolution, a RediRection of our efforts; no, don't dish out monies to GM when you could be converting factores to manufacturing bicycles; no, NO monies to the automobile industry when the railroads could pick up that employment slack and offer energy-saving benefits besides. And how are we any more "worthy" than greece? Are we not spending monies we don't have? We are already bankrupt and if China pulled its debt obligations we would be would be throwing ouzu glasses with the best of 'em. <br />Make no mistake: It's deeper then 5,000 feet!Heller Levinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-75473368502273530482010-05-26T12:13:20.185-07:002010-05-26T12:13:20.185-07:00She presents a very muddled picture. She did serve...She presents a very muddled picture. She did serve as a law clerk to Thurgood Marshall. There is some occasion for hope in that. And she was overheard to say at a closed door meeting that she was opposed to corporate personhood as a legal concept, which she did argue against as solicitor general. But before I give full rein to any hopes that she might counterbalance a right wing supreme court, I tend to heed the words of Jonathan Turley: “For many liberals and civil libertarians, the Kagan nomination is a terrible act of betrayal after the President campaigned so heavily on the issue of the Supreme Court during his campaign. He is now replacing a liberal icon with someone who has testified that she does not believe in core protections for accused individuals in the war on terror. During her confirmation hearing Kagan testified that she believed that anyone suspected of helping finance Al Qaeda should be stripped of protections and held under indefinite detention without a trial — agreeing with the Bush Administration.”John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-21037721541662372452010-05-26T10:24:37.599-07:002010-05-26T10:24:37.599-07:00Allow me to add: Elena Kagan probably is not be Wi...Allow me to add: Elena Kagan probably is not be William O. Douglas, etc (although she's probably purposefully kept the depth of core views masked for years so she would not be tainted if or when she received a judicial nomination). However, I am damn sure is not Scalia, Thomas, Alito, or Roberts. I insist the differences are profound.Steven Famahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-38828881052705126342010-05-26T10:18:58.121-07:002010-05-26T10:18:58.121-07:00>> The biggest thing that victimizes Greece ...>> The biggest thing that victimizes Greece is it's own tendencies and norms. << <br /><br />Well, I haven't lived there, so its more subterranean customs elude me. I can't comment responsibly on that. <br /><br />I must, alas, also confess a lot of ignorance when it comes to Robinson Jeffers. What I remember from reading his poetry years ago is the brutishness of nature, as well as its beauty. It is a savage beauty. I believe, too, if memory serves, that Jeffers garnered a lot ill will for his bitter antihumanism, which I also find in abundance in Carlin's later work. And, I must confess, myself. I see humanity as a failed evolutionary adaptation. A biological experiment gone awry. <br /><br />If, by planet in peril, we mean earth and its current ecology, yes, it is definitely in peril. But if, by earth, or planet, we mean simply that, a planet, a ball of rock and magma circling the sun, well yes, it will be going on for a few more billion years, or at least until the sun expands and engulfs it in its heat and gases.John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-33734223725749866852010-05-26T09:57:51.422-07:002010-05-26T09:57:51.422-07:00>> Surrealism as a project of Platonists wi...>> Surrealism as a project of Platonists with "freedom" as its goal seems no less suspect to me than Christianity as the project of the Pope with "salvation" as its goal. <<<br /><br />True! Good point, Greg. Though Christianity requires its adherents to follow, unquestioning, a line of dogma. It is doctrinaire and authoritarian. Surrealism opens to the doors to paradox, nuance, a continual questioning. Freedom has its agonies as well as its euphorias. Surrealism is a state of self-induced mutiny. Self-subversion. Everything is a question. I'm not sure I'd call it Platonic. Surrealism was grounded in the day-to-day, a form of radical empiricism. The Russian constructivist principle of ostranenie, defamiliarization, is a part of surrealist practice. Finding the marvelous in the familiar. The sacred among the profane. <br /><br />I had heard somewhere that we are all enlightened, but just don't know it. <br /><br />Transformation is, of course, a key word. A key principle. As long as there is potential for change, anything can happen, and often does. <br /><br />The poem, as Lamantia once observed, is "a miracle in words."John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-22067682106655505772010-05-26T09:52:38.399-07:002010-05-26T09:52:38.399-07:00I find resonance in Robinson Jeffers' views re...I find resonance in Robinson Jeffers' views regarding people, and the views comedically expressed by George Carlin on the hubris of humanity believing that what we do actually effects the planet.<br /><br />"Yankee ingenuity" is being tapped, so to say, to try to stop the leak. However, there is a reason we've put people on the moon, done "walks" in space, and have teenagers atop the earth's highest peaks, but never had people walking around on the bottom of the deep ocean, or developed machines capable of doing complex work for lengthy periods down there. I say again: it's 5,000 feet down! I'm hoping we get lucky and the leak can be stopped. <br /><br />The biggest thing that victimizes Greece is it's own tendencies and norms. Any country would have the same mess if tra-la-la-ed like that nation does regarding its ridiculous state-paid entitlements coupled with massive tax cheating and full-on corruption. This has all been reported, and nobody denies it. Check out again the mess they made of their world when they hosted the Olympics a few years back. I'll be blunt: too many there want to live like royalty (not work) and massively under-pay taxes while engaging full-on in a sub rosa economy where they get paid off under the table, and do the same to others. No problem?Steven Famahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-8937455799421415232010-05-26T05:36:13.958-07:002010-05-26T05:36:13.958-07:00What I find challenging about the surrealist proje...What I find challenging about the surrealist project is that freedom is the supposed goal. I'm not sure I understand this "freedom" as anything other than "not what we have now, but something better". Surrealism as a project of Platonists with "freedom" as its goal seems no less suspect to me than Christianity as the project of the Pope with "salvation" as its goal. Enlightenment. What if people are enlightened at birth, and there's no further enlightenment to be gained? I've looked at Breton's manifestos and essays with interest, often laughing, which is excellent. But for all that, his "faith" seems a bit, well, sad. He seems to believe in a state of purity and "truth" that can be accessed via the surrealist techniques, and that these states, when achieved, will somehow be transformative. We've already been transformed, through birth, and this is what happened. Why Breton, or anyone else might believe that there's some "better" transformational process available, that will somehow accomplish something more profound than watching an MTV video will, I find curious. I hope he's right, and that the alchemical process of surrealism will lead to something better. However, my world view is more in line with the protagonist of Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. <br /><br />As for the oil spill, and the earth ultimately being fine, well, the earth will be fine, right up until it's not, but that doesn't mean we'll be fine. I think people shield themselves with the notion that somehow the human race can't be annihilated. That "something" will prevent this. Ha ha.<br /><br />Greg GrummerGreghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07063461201963497703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-6498197002598166792010-05-25T21:24:07.998-07:002010-05-25T21:24:07.998-07:00"Planet earth will be fine."
I sure ho..."Planet earth will be fine." <br /><br />I sure hope you're right. But one consequence of the Deepshit Horizon fuck-up is the Florida water supply. In Florida, fresh water comes from subsurface aquifers that are composed of multiple layers of water-bearing limestone. Groundwater released from the aquifers sustains thousands of ecosystems. Can you imagine the result if oil gets into that? Not to mention those highly toxic chemical dispersants BP has been using so cavalierly? <br /><br />"All elected officials are beholden to the ruling class, the monied interests."<br /><br />I totally agree with you there. But I find little difference between Obama and Bush. Obama is simply Bush 2.0, the updated version with enhanced language abilities. Obama's appointment of Elena Kagan is less than sanguine. According to Marjorie Kohn, Kagan kept utterly silent about the invasion of Iraq and torture abuses at a time when she had the opportunity to do so and most of her colleagues were being pretty vocal about it. This suggests someone of high ambition more interested in advancing her career than weighing in on some pretty critical issues. There is absolutely nothing about her to suggest that she may counterbalance a heavily right wing supreme court. Obama could have done much, much better, assuming he has the interests of a fair judicial system at heart, or offering a strong corrective to the Bush administration. <br /><br />I also disagree pretty strongly about Greece. Greece's problems far exceed that of a corrupt bureaucracy and compromised pensions. Greece has been subject to a long history of free market abuses, including the fires that were set by speculators trying to get land on the cheap. International bankers colluded with their power elite to falsify economic data and then make billions betting that the Greek economy would collapse. Pensions, benefits, and jobs were cut to pay corporate banks whose malfeasance created economic mayhem. Karamalis and his right wing government looted taxpayer funds to enrich their corporate masters and bankrupt the country. Hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen from the individual retirement accounts by people who had been honest and industrious. In other words, pretty much a reflection of what has happened in the U.S. and elsewhere, with the notable exception of making a wily philosopher drink hemlock. But then, philosophy counts for very little in the U.S. But who needs philosophy will our coveted Yankee ingenuity? Speaking of which, where is it? We could definitely use some about now.John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-91039794974383550242010-05-25T09:13:11.099-07:002010-05-25T09:13:11.099-07:00The government can't help with the oil NO MATT...The government can't help with the oil NO MATTER what. Even if Obama were mortal enemies with the Big Oil people, and wanted to hammer 'em, there's no way he or others could do anything to stop the leak, unless somebody gets very very lucky. <br /><br />Planet earth will be fine. It friggin' survived a huge blast from a comet and from what I've read a few other "extinction events" too. I highly doubt a little hole in the ocean will do much lasting damage, in the grand scheme of things. Oil leaks up into the ocean all the time, this happens to be a lot, and may have more severe consequences. We shall see, and "we shall see" is about all we can do -- as there is nothing that can be done about it! Those people on the radio are entertainers who make money insisting that there is something to be done!<br /><br />All elected officials are beholden to the ruling class, the monied interests. On the margins and even on central issues -- look to Supreme Court appointments, if nothing else -- the differences between the current administration and its predecessor are huge, and still worth celebrating. <br /><br />People are rioting in Greece because they might not be able to retire at AGE 50 with a FULL pension any more, might not be able to cheat hugely on their taxes anymore, might not be able to continue with their corrupt government bureaucracy any more, and might not be able to receive health insurance that (among other things) pays for vacations every year. I ain't exaggerating a bit on these things, and I say Greece is getting exactly what it deserves.Steven Famahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-90138328779639486922010-05-24T21:22:26.170-07:002010-05-24T21:22:26.170-07:00The virtual impossibility of plugging that hole or...The virtual impossibility of plugging that hole or diverting the other 60% (happily assuming that diverted 40% is a reliable figure) of that oil is precisely what has me and thousands of other people completely freaked out. Add to that the equally impossible task of putting any real reins on the unbridled greed of Wall Street, and you've got a population of people looking frantically for something diverting on TV or the Internet or God knows, maybe even a book. As Baudelaire's soul once cried out, after being offered a number of places to go, to get away, to escape: "No matter where! No matter where! As long as it's out of the world!"<br /><br />There is a reason everything from the awaited rapture of the fundamentalists, to the unfocused rage of the tea partiers, to the deep sighs of undisguised futility punctuating the jeremiads of progressive radio host Mike Malloy, to the unspeakable but believable horrors of Cormac McCarthy's The Road, is tinged with the black toxic gooey substance of human despair. Malloy frequently alludes to a psychological manifestation called "learned helplessness." On the other hand, Chris Hedges, at Truthdig, looks somewhat wistfully at the riots in Athens, perplexed, as I am, that they are not happening here. <br /><br />.... so I don't know.... All we can do is keep on keeping on until we can't keep on keeping on. <br /><br />I would not look to Obama for any kind of help. He is a puppet, and his strings are attached to BP. If his fingers cross, it is because a BP puppet master is crossing them. Obama received millions from BP during his campaign. <br /><br />If there are any engineers out there with a viable solution to that hemorrhaging hole in the Gulf, please offer your comment. I am all ears.John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-85625054344310947832010-05-24T19:45:01.173-07:002010-05-24T19:45:01.173-07:00Well, you may castigate me today, or prove me a fo...Well, you may castigate me today, or prove me a fool as events unfold over time, but as to the gushing oil, I firmly believe there really is nothing that anyone can do.<br /><br />What the hell can be done. There's a big hole FIVE THOUSAND FEET UNDER THE SURFACE OF THE OCEAN. Think about how deep that is. Nobody's EVER had to stop anything like it before. The government has no expertise. The oil folks may have ideas and equipment, but nothing certain, and no experience. It's a Class A cluster-f*ck. <br /><br />There's similarly no way to protect the coasts, or wherever (wherever all) the oil ends up. Louisiana authorities (elected officials) want the feds (you and me) to pay for an 80-mile long sand berm to be built across and in front of their barrier islands. It'd take more than a year to construct, cost millions upon millions, and I knowing nothing can say it won't work. <br /><br />There's nothing that's going to stop the leak, and nothing that can do much to ameliorate whatever it is that the oil is going to do. IT'S 5,000 FEET DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN! That's it. Period. <br /><br /><br />Maybe somebody in Big Oil will get lucky and find and pull off something that actually works, to stop the oil. Otherwise, we'll just have to see about the consequences, and keep our fingers crossed. That's about it, and I'd guess Obama is doing that.Steven Famahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13733977161680651117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-47951364321199822362010-05-24T12:55:08.226-07:002010-05-24T12:55:08.226-07:00Yes, that's a good photo, and it looks natural...Yes, that's a good photo, and it looks natural, like a photo of Burroughs with Bowie. Or Ginsberg with Sonic Youth. A photo of Robert Pinsky with Bruce Springsteen, on the other hand--or Rae Armantrout with Lady Gaga?--would look risibly incongruous, probably.<br /><br />I believe Donald Hall coined McPoetry. Seems to me I've heard others use it without attribution, however, so I'm not sure.Delia Psychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03020484032408233158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-52058058011153554302010-05-23T21:31:10.512-07:002010-05-23T21:31:10.512-07:00Yes, Rabelais, absolutely an early surrealist. Tho...Yes, Rabelais, absolutely an early surrealist. Though there are plenty of myths and sagas, such as Gilgamesh, the Eddas, Mahabharata, and the Bible, that are chock full of surrealism. <br /><br />I feel very lucky to have been able to come of age during the 60s. It was a magnificent era, a powerful and exciting energy such as I have not seen since. The specter of Vietnam hung over much of it, but it was still an extraordinary time. The photograph of Bob Dylan, Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure in front of City Lights bookstore circa 1965 really captures how seamlessly fused the poetry and rock of that era happened to be. <br /><br />I love that phrase "MFA McPoetry." That's great.John Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873070309448793816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1407034878188607881.post-82357841616280038292010-05-23T17:14:38.194-07:002010-05-23T17:14:38.194-07:00This is delightful, John--as much for the lacerati...This is delightful, John--as much for the lacerating denunciation of our air-conditioned nightmare as for the analysis of Joron's book. <br /><br />How could surrealism vanish? Haven't we always had it? I remember reading some Rabelais that was as wacko as Max Jacob. And some lines by Ben Jonson about bathing in panther's breath. (On second thought, I may have seen those two passages in a piece by Huidobro. His point may have been that surrealism goes way back.) <br /><br />I discovered surrealism at 19--some euphonious Welsh trippiness in Dylan Thomas's Quite Early One Morning, wild Leonard Cohen, lines by Bill Knott like "only a maze can remember your hair of buttered blowguns." It's always been my favorite kind of poetry, though I love almost all kinds of poetry. (The only kind I dislike is that cozily accessible prosaic MFA McPoetry they sell at Barnes & Noble.) No doubt I'd find Joron informative and stimulating.<br /><br />And your reminiscences of--and observations about--the 60s fascinate me. I only remember flashes of the 60s (being scolded for smearing chocolate cake all over my shirt, The Mamas & The Papas singing "Words of Love," falling down the basement stairs and screaming...), but I've always identified with that mythological era. (A double--or triple--exposure just impasto'd my imagination momentarily: acoustic guitar strings of rain on a sepia-tinted Sunday morning... a girl's long straight hair... a Michael McClure poem about "old Warhols." They're "gentle and classic," he says, "compared to present brutalities." That may not be verbatim.)I would I had been there.Delia Psychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03020484032408233158noreply@blogger.com